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openWhen flaws are appealing to someone Live Action TV
While friends are listing someone's flaws to show her that he's completely wrong for her, she actually finds those flaws appealing, making him more attractive.
openDead Boy Detectives Index Question Live Action TV
Dead Boy Detectives 2024 is listed on the Teen Drama Index. While the show is about teens, teens are not the target audience. It's rather disconcerting to see a show with a fairly unflinching gore factor listed between Dawson's Creek and Degrassi. I threw up a question on this listing on the discussion page, but have gotten no response there, so throwing the question out here. Does it belong there? Yea or Nay?
openHeavy-handed "badge of honor" troping Live Action TV
rr3elite appears to have a major Single-Issue Wonk focused on showing off the villainy of the character Zein from Kamen Rider Outsiders and their appearances in other Kamen Rider media, including this week's episode of Kamen Rider Gotchard. I initially reported them on ATT before for shoehorning in Fan Myopia-laden comparisons to other works through misuse of various tropes, but it is now clear that was a symptom of a much bigger wonk, mostly afflicting Zein's sheet, the page for Outsiders itself, and various pages for Gotchard (YMMV, antagonists sheet, Nightmare Fuel, #33's recap) where Zein's appearance is concerned.
I haven't sent any notifiers because there's too many offending edits to comb through, but a lot of their edits consist of what they have previously been reported for, plus Bold Inflation, countless sentence structure and grammar errors, and "look at how horrible this person is" examples that stretch Zein's villainynote it is a sapient AI that has placed the world into an authoritarian surveillance state with the intent of mass genocide and has manipulated the heroes into giving it its resources, but I would hesitate to call a lot of its actions deliberately symbolic or nuanced beyond face value.. They also added Speculative Troping examples to Gotchard #33's recap suggesting Zein would have had a darker and more dramatic role in the episode, when in reality he only appears to kill one of the unambiguously-evil villains in the episode and leaves just as quickly to promote Outsiders.
I'm not sure if this is a policy violation in its own right, but I cannot deny in good faith that it is starting to compromise their writing and thus the quality of the pages they are editing.
Edited by TrocyteVopenEdit War Live Action TV
- On the YMMV page of Kamen Rider Gotchard
- ddyingle added a lot of Natter on various elements of the page.
- I removed all of them and sent them a notifier.
- Not only did they re-add one of them in a different place, but they added more instances despite the notifier I sent them.
openEpisode page mis-numbered Live Action TV
In the recap section and individual page for Severance (2022), both the eighth and ninth (final) episodes are titled as episode eight - how can I edit these so the final episode is titled episode nine in both sections?
openEdit war on Fallout 2024's YMMV page Live Action TV
On April 14th, troper Phantomskyler added this entry to the Fallout TV show's YMMV page:
- And You Thought It Would Fail: Leading up to the premier there was much grumbling and speculation over the quality of the series, with diehard fans worried about it being a similarly lackluster and divisive adaptation like Halo's tv series, and a rather loud minority of culture war youtubers claiming it will be a "woke failure" criticizing it's female and black protagonists alongside supporting character Dane being nonbinary being the show "catering for diversity points and not fans." After the premier was wildly well recieved by audiences and critics alike the former were pleasantly surprised (though some had minor gripes concerning the lore aspects) and the former were forced to very quietly slink away and keep their mouths shut when their predictions (predicably) didn't match reality.
I grinded it down for being a blatant ROCEJ violation and sent him a notifier for it. Two days later, he added a reworded entry again as a subpoint without discussion, which was then edited by unrelated tropers to this:
- To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as The Marvels (2023) or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by everyone, especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, moved on to different media to criticize, or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or simply let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
On April 17th, the entry was removed by troper Incredible Fulk 1 with the edit reason: "Really? That was such a small minority."
Phantomskyler then re-added the entry wholesale on April 19th with the edit reason: "Re adding since it doesn't break editing rules & shouldn't have been removed."
openUnsourced Twilight Zone claim Live Action TV
I've seen some entries claiming Rod Serling intended Henry Bemis from "Time Enough at Last" to be unsympathetic and for his fate at the end to be a karmic punishment, but I'm not aware of any source for this. I found one article quoting Serling's daughter as saying he didn't like "underachievers who thought the world owed them something" and the article attempts to tie that to the ending of that episode, but that seems to be the conjecture of the person who wrote the article. I was able to find that quote in context and she was just talking about Serling's overall values and doesn't mention the episode at all. Here's a link to it:
The script also describes the episode's antagonists (the bank president and Bemis's wife) in very unflattering terms, so that makes it seem even more unlikely that this was Serling's intent. Does anyone know of a source for this, or should those entries be cut?
Edited by Javertshark13openHow to add images to recap indexes Live Action TV
I’ve been thinking about adding recap cover art to the recap index of Charmed (1998). So do you have to take this to Image Pickin' or is it a different process than normally?
Edited by CanuckMcDuck1openHow to word this Live Action TV
Having just seen the show, I've started editing the page of Ripley (staring Andrew Scott as the titular Tom Ripley).
In it, there is an Actor Allusion as John Malkovich plays a character (and in the trailer even says he like Ripley's name, though the context is different in the show itself), having played the role of Tom Ripley in Ripley's Game (2002). This has already been added.
However, on top of this, it's revealed he plays the character of Reeves Minot, a character with a major role in the plot of Ripley's Game. Would this be playing the actor allusion trope straight further, exaggerating it, or something else?
openMacgyver (2016) Recap page? Live Action TV
Hi, just wondering what happened to the Recap page for Macgyver 2016? I'm sure there was one because I remember formatting some episode titles, but it seems to have vanished. Anyone?
I think possibly no individual episode pages had been made. That's probably due to the idiosyncratic episode titles; from Season 2 onwards, most titles have + symbols in them, which I guess may have put people off if they weren't sure how to proceed. Could that have anything to do with the page disappearing?
openGhosts episode entry Live Action TV
I made mistakes with a prior entry and requested it be cut.
Is it alright to try again?
openHow do I correct an incorrect episode title? Live Action TV
I entered an episode title for a recap page, but have just learned the title has been changed. How do I correct this?
openPolitically-biased entry removal Live Action TV
On Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales, Clear Air Turbulence recently cut out an example concerning Last Man Standing with this edit reason:
"This doesn't apply - there's no example given of a "leftist" character that is loved by "leftists", this is just an excuse for someone defending right wing propaganda to say "Leftists love it too!""
I think like they were making a revision fueled by political bias (and not hiding it at all, judging by the edit reason), as the removed entry did attempt to give examples of characters "liked" by liberals. I believe it counts as a possible ROCEJ violation. What should we do about it? Should we give them a warning for it?
Edited by DongwaChanopen Franchise Original Sin Live Action TV
I need clarification on this trope. Can it be used within a single season of a TV series, where the element people complain about in the final few episodes was always present right from the pilot? Or does it require multiple seasons to truly qualify, due to the "franchise" part of trope name?
openWhen It Doesn't Make Sense That Someone Claims Not To Know Something Live Action TV
Someone says that something revealed before him is completely unknown to him and a complete surprise, and he isn't lying, despite the fact that he was around when that something occurred and it would be impossible for him to be ignorant about it.
openAI-Generated Fic in the recs area - can I zap? Live Action TV
There is an AI-generated fanfiction listed in the Doctor Who section whose entire recommendation appears to be "This was AI-Generated and it's cool". I wouldn't be surprised if the author themselves put it. Again, the merits of the story are never actually discussed. The entire thing reeks of Dancing Bear. The comments section reads as follows:
"Comments: Of course, some people have a grudge against AI for taking most of their jobs (writing, drawing, reading, etc.), but this AI-experiment with Chat GPT to create a Doctor Who fanfic is quite interesting. Love it or hate it, this is something I think is worth checking out if you're curious about the capabilities of artificial intelligence in fanfiction."
Can I remove this "recommendation"?
Edited by Zelda12343openMisfiled page Live Action TV
Taliyus was launched a few years ago and is marked as 'Series', when in actuality it is a collection of art and writing by a Deviantart user, which I think should warrant being a Web Original instead.
Edited by WinningPonyopenWeird disambiguation Live Action TV
Is there any particular reason why Tidelands (Netflix) has such a bizarre disambiguation?
First of all, work disambiguation is usually done by year, sometimes by country... but not this.
Second of all, Tidelands might be a disambig, but the only other work with this title is one book in a series, and both are currently red links. So I don't see anything preventing the series to just be Tidelands (currently a redirect).
I've always enjoyed the "the one where/with" lines at the beginning of pages for Rocky, James Bond and Star Trek films, as well as Doctor Who episode recaps. I'd like to add some examples to TNG recaps, can I just dive right in and do it? Or do I need to get clearance from mods, or request permission in a Trope Workshop first?
Thanks.
Edited by 773202luna